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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Topic: Dragon Wars - Almolst done!
    Posted: 19 May 2012 at 2:09pm

Done




Thank you ALL! special thanks
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Quote Partack Replybullet Posted: 19 May 2012 at 4:16pm
... Interesting.

I don't really know where you're going with this though..
also, the bottom part of the welsh flag is green.. don't know if the blueish hue was intentional or not..

All i can say is i like it so far?

good luck!

(Rwy'n Cymraeg ^__^ Cymru am byth! =D)
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2012 at 10:36am
u-updated =)

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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2012 at 10:45am
Fixed anatomy thanks slym

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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2012 at 5:03pm
Updated! again!


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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2012 at 6:34pm
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff368/philippejugnet/WelshDragon2-2.png
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2012 at 7:32pm
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Quote Adcrusher Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2012 at 7:39pm
Here I threw you in an edit

Don't rush into details so fast.  Make sure you have your forms down before going into scales. First off, some of the armor doesn't make sense.  The armor that protects his chest is off center and is in an off place. The shoulder armor is too small and it looks like, based on his forearm, that his shoulder would be much bigger than what the armor is. Draw in the muscles beneath and then add in the armor to fit him. Down where the left leg armor meets the torso is very weird, it looks like a fight for which one is in front.

Okay, onto the monster himself. The face is very good, its rendered nicely. The torso is off, he looks overweight. His pectorals are sagging and the back outline is not very thin. It's hard to see any forms in the legs, the back one looks like you were trying to add in his calf, but personally i think it would be much easier and readable if the back leg was in darkness, showing that it is behind him.

Just saw the update: Legs look better, I'm confused about the shoulder, is that a band over it or armor? anway good luck im looking forward to seeing more progress


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Quote AngelOTG Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2012 at 7:41pm
His tits look way too low, and he doesn't even have a rib cage. o___o
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Quote Friend Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2012 at 10:04am
Your dragon monster doesnt look very formidable at all. This is mainly because it looks like a fly could knock him over on his back with his pose and anatomy. I can't really say how to improve that now, but hs needs huge thighs and different leg and core chest/abdominal anatomy so he looks strong
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2012 at 2:09pm
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Quote Zeratanus Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2012 at 2:28pm
Going off Frost Butt's comment, I moved his bits and pieces around a bit to make him look more like a big beasty. Also removed the back blade thing, but I just personally find those kinds of weapons silly looking.

Hope it helps ya some~

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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2012 at 2:48pm
thanks ^^ Trying it out

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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2012 at 7:12pm


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Quote AngelOTG Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2012 at 8:23pm
I don't understand what the poles/banners are connected to. They just look like they're floating behind him.
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 23 May 2012 at 8:07am
Its a war, heh so I am gonna add the other soldiers behind.
its still a WIP
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 23 May 2012 at 10:48am
last update:
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Quote Arnaldo Replybullet Posted: 23 May 2012 at 11:43am
Sabe o q me encomoda, eh q vc ignora, os comentarios dos outros algumas vezes, o edit q o zeratanus e q o outro de cima fez, tão com uma postura bem melhor q a do seu...
Acho q deveria considerar as suas opiniões... Mas acerca do wip?
Bem bacana
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 23 May 2012 at 3:20pm
Eu arrumei sim se vc não percebeu '-', teria visto se tivesse ao menos se dado o trabalho de abrir um antigo numa nova aba e um novo em outra.

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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2012 at 8:36am
Update =)


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Quote Christoballs Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2012 at 4:11pm
You should work on the scene's setting very soon.
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Quote AngelOTG Replybullet Posted: 24 May 2012 at 6:43pm
His horns look like they're coming out of his neck rather than skull plate. Maybe move them a few pixels closer to his eyes?
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 25 May 2012 at 5:37am
@Christoballs - yeah I know, I will add some mud and the rest of the warriors

@AngelOTG - Thanks I will try to do it

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Quote Friend Replybullet Posted: 25 May 2012 at 9:25pm
I really admire your ambition and diligence, congrats!
But I think you are shooting yourself in the foot by going too detail crazy before your scene, anatomy, shading etc. have been appropriated and have a good base to build up from.  While it is nice to be ambitious, I think you need to go slower, and pay more attention to the fundamentals  of art before going all out.
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 26 May 2012 at 8:21am


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Quote Night Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2012 at 1:38am
I think it looks much better with those colours.
Although, I think you could work more with the shape of the clothing for this creature, and perhaps make the lighting a little bit more dramatic.

Here's an edit:


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Quote AngelOTG Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2012 at 2:00am
Your color choices are kind of boring. It's a very linear green ramp. Throw in some contrasts and purple tints



Edit: Looking at this on my phone, I see my computer screen's brightness must have been off. This is a little toooo contrasted, but it still illustrates my point. :P

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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2012 at 6:01am
Thanks guys for real =D


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Quote Cheetah Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2012 at 8:10am
I feel like you are stuck in a design loop Philippe, where you keep reinterpretting the same step instead of progressing forward. I think Frost had some good advice and you should sketch out the entire piece to see where you are going with it. For the record I actually prefered the previous color scheme.
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2012 at 8:53am


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Quote Cheetah Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2012 at 9:50am
Much better. Careful about your perspective because in this rough state I can't tell what the creature would be standing on. I hope you are able to incorporate those flags somehow because they added to the piece.
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2012 at 9:51am
I won't add the flags. I am tired of this piece, gonna do something else then come back to it.
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Quote Arnaldo Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2012 at 11:07am
Ae phlipppe, esse ultimo wip, esta uma ma...ra...vi...lhaaaa
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2012 at 11:53am
I am done for today...
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 27 May 2012 at 7:04pm


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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 28 May 2012 at 4:33am
Last edit on the dragon and probably last post. I don't wan't to keep flooding.



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Quote Friend Replybullet Posted: 28 May 2012 at 8:45am
I just want to say again that I admire how much you've stuck with this and tried your very best and taking all criticisms into account and continuing to appreciate them instead of getting frustrated.  I think you have insane potential at pixel art, but you are already great.  As for a few crits on the last edit regardless of if you're done:

Those thigh plates still look really wonky.  The right leg ones look slightly better, but not much.  Think about it.  If you had armor that wrapped around your thigh in a triangular shape instead of encircling your thigh, it'd be extremely motion limiting and painful.  Also, there doesn't seem to be anything clamping them on there.  I think the piece is also really hindered by not including the feet and showing what it is standing on, it's a really awkward place to cut the piece off, and I sort of have doubts about whether this is to hide that maybe the perspective of the dragon is slightly off from the background.  Lastly, the piece doesn't really seem to have any purpose in itself.  You show a dragon glaring at something carrying a large sword and armor, but you don't really see why, or anything to give the piece contextual purpose.  You just focused on making your piece look really cool, which it does.

Anyway, job well done and I look forward to seeing you continue to progress.
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 28 May 2012 at 1:50pm
I won't get frustated ^^ those are helpful! In the past I used to get dismotivated... but now I am just trying my best! I am young and that does not mean I am worst, thats what I wann prove to everybody. I will add the legs again then ^^ thanks.
PS: I keep changing it 'cause it is not making me happy.
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Quote Fugitive Replybullet Posted: 28 May 2012 at 5:11pm
amazing work philippejugnet 
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 28 May 2012 at 6:52pm
^^ updated, thanks all!!
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 29 May 2012 at 3:29pm
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 30 May 2012 at 1:39pm
Updated, thanks fool!


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Quote yaomon17 Replybullet Posted: 30 May 2012 at 5:37pm
I think his legs should be spread out more like with the first picture. He looks as if he is squatting very awkwardly.
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Quote toxotes Replybullet Posted: 30 May 2012 at 9:25pm
Yeah, you've slowly moved away from the dynamic and spontaneous pose in your initial post, and I really think you should back at that. You have balanced it a little more, but I think you've lost the implied kinetic energy. Sorry to critique something that's a building block this late in the development process, it's looking beautiful so far.
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 31 May 2012 at 9:54am
True, true. Updated. Changed the colors to give more contrast to the fire.



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Quote Mille Replybullet Posted: 31 May 2012 at 3:01pm
This is looking great, I'm looking forward seeing it finished.
One thing it'd be careful about at this point would be not to have the monster fade to much in the background since you are using the same colors basically, think about using the shadows and that red/green contrast you have to make the guy stick out. Or just have the background less defined, more blurry.
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Quote a3um Replybullet Posted: 01 June 2012 at 12:05am
Maybe make him look at the same direction as the battle line (if that's the battle line on the left side)?
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Quote Trick17 Replybullet Posted: 01 June 2012 at 5:43am
Hm, I thought the same like a3um, is he supposed to be the leader? If yes, you could addditionally rise is sword and head and let him sream like someone who bolster the soldiers.
Like this and this.
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Quote philippejugnet Replybullet Posted: 01 June 2012 at 8:00am
NOOO =) thats not the concept. The concept is the war between China and Japan.

According to the chinese culture a dragon represents the energy of fire, which destroys but allows the birth of the new. The main concept is, Dragons ( chinese ) going to the rising sun ( japan is called the land of the rising sun) thats the concept ^^. Well, we all know that after the war finished both japan and china had a growth ( the birth of the new ). And Japan won ( energy of fire, which destroys ). This dragon is just guiding them there, "go all of you! faster blablabla!!!"

but yeah, thanks =) all of you!






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Quote a3um Replybullet Posted: 01 June 2012 at 8:50am
That's cool to have such a concept, but don't forget that you have to properly represent it to a viewer. The behavior of the dragon as you depicted him is very confusing. Why does he staring at the torch in front of the battle line?
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