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    Posted: 30 May 2006 at 3:10am


UPDATE: THE GAME WILL NOW OFFICIALLY BE COMPLETED IN FULL COLOUR! The following 'green, black, white and grey' graphics are just place holders for now.

COLOUR MOCKUP SO FAR!




 

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You may or may not have seen my mockup artwork a while back on the gallery, but I've always wanted to turn my comic book, Black Hole, into a game.

You don't have to have read the book to help me. Want I want is help with the sprites, backgrounds and even story (if you feel so inclined).

Yeah, this is probably a bit similar to Larwick's Rustbug thread. I've definitely been inspired by all great advice and comments he's received.

My Black Hole graphics once occupied their own exclusive gallery, but it's different these days. That said, the gallery can still be viewed in it's entirety here.

IN SHORT...
-The running title is "Black Hole: The Game that Sucks."
-It's a comic book platformer where you control the hero, Black Hole.
-Black Hole has the ability to suck, store, repel objects (sort of like a vacuum cleaner) using his hands.
- He will also jump, climb, hold, slap, punch, talk and scratch
-The graphics are currently done using only four colours (Black, White, Grey Green)-- this is prone to change, but I need your suggestions!
-The game will loosely follow the first few adventures of Black Hole, so read the comic for more ideas.
-This game is currently just in the concept and graphics stage. I would love to talk to anyone about coding it, but I have no means to do so myself.
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BH will have a special attack named 'Supernova.' The attack features in the first episode of the comic, seen here.  BH claps his hands together in order to blast a flash of white light which temporarily blinds his enemies. I plan on using a sort of 'rage meter' to control this attack. So he'd only be able to use it once he has a certain amount of kills or something.

MAIN BH GRAPHICS!
        

 

NEW COLOURED GRAPHICS:








First off I'd like suggestions for a palette change. Four colours was originally used due to their simplicity and because it reminded me of old Gameboy games- but if you've got any better ideas, tell me!

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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 4:49am
Seems like a swell game. The only "bad" thing I have to say is that its a bit childish. I would remove the title "the game that sucks" and add some better attacks.

I'll come up with more suggestions later on.
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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 5:19am

Thanks Swiifty mate. I guess the childish look is another affect of the gameboy-ish palette and style. Perhaps this will correct itself once I've adjusted the palette. 'The game that sucks' is just a working title, feel free to offer better suggestions! 

The attacks are currently: Punch, Hold+Slap, Hold+Uppercut, and ofcourse the sucking action. He will be able to shoot objects at enemies and suck enemies into his hands then choose whether to slap or uppercut them. Once again, I'm wide open for suggestions!

Shark PM'd me with this:

hey, just checking your new WIP ..nice stuff you got going here, but
just think about what you could do with lots more colors. Of course
keep a GB limited pallette version but i could see this being really
sweet with lots more colors aswell. At the moment it seems very
bright, darkening it down and giving it a more urban feel would suit
the game better. The sprites are nice but some of them suchas
running need 2/3 more frames just to smooth it out. May i have a go
at coloring on of your mockup screens, there basically linearts
anyway lol.

I knew he wouldn't mind me posting it. Sure! I don't mind you having a go at colouring it in for me. Also, I'm not really sure where to find a GBA palette as such, I'd probably just go ahead and start using whatever colours I feel like. If you have a suitable GBA palette you'd like to provide me with, or details on how to get one, I'd muchly appreciate it.

Also, keep in mind I started this project about a year ago, I just never thought to involve the community until now. So basically, my skill level SHOULD have improved, thats why I am willing to be more ambitious with colour.

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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 5:30am
Looks good, deffinately needs a new pallette, i really hate green lol and it doesn't look as good as it could.
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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 5:33am

Hurrah for game WIPs! ^_^

I actually liked the whole simple style, it was like an amusing pisstake of older games (especially the running animation). Of course, it would be cool to see a fully coloured one aswel.

Really cool stuff, can't wait to see more. Although as some critisism i think the AAing for some parts of the main screen could be improved (the title especially).

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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 5:50am

@Spoony: Thanks man. Haha, green was only originally used because I was using the Lil' Dudes palette from the main gallery. But I made some test variations early on. Check out these four:

@Larwick: I agree with you totally about the Title Screen AAing. I am weighing up whether or not it's worth it to redo it using the current palette, if I'm going to be moving to full colour stuff. I'm glad you were amused by the simple style of graphics, a pisstake is precisely what I was aiming for! Especially as far as the running sprite goes. I have not intention to add any more frames to it.

PS. Also, does anyone know the standard pixel size for game sprites and background objects? I might have to redo some of the tiles...



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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 5:57am
The plain black, grey and whitei s looking the best up there lol, err depends what size sprites your looking for, and the tiles usally 24x24 are 32x32 if im not mistaken....

PS. i love the second last animation..lmao that just rules..
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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 6:15am

@Spoon: Thanks mate, lycra spandex tends to get a bit itchy...in my experience. Thanks for the tile sizes. I hadn't really broken up the background into proper tiles, I've just been using seperate items so far- not really considering their practicality for a game

Here's some preview colour images that I just threw together then. Two versions, one with all black oulines, the other with variations. I like the second best. Has a sort of Kenneth Fejer sort of look.

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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 6:32am
Hehe thats nice, mind if i draw up some simple tile sets for you, just to prove im not useless at pixel art :P lol
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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 6:45am
yeah I agree with larwick about it being a parody of old skool games
which is great for mockups, but if it was going to be developed i think
a really cool colored version would be so much better. Perhaps he
could enter a minigame and play old skool blackhole (just a thought).

Im working on my own sorta take on this atm, i will post sometime
tonight..

The colored sprites look so much better, if it were to be published, i
still think they need a few more frames. As for GBA pallette, its
massive so i think you should be able to use any color you want.
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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 6:46am

Go right ahead Spoon! This is all I really had in terms of background tiles so far:


And I recoloured the talk icon:

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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 7:09am

Looks very nice so far, thae only thing I don't like is that you can't get a good effect with grey shading when the color it'self is used as a shade sometimes the used as a color othertimes. I would keep the other colors but dither areas where the green is the color of te object. I guess it just doesn't seem natural to shade with grey and green when ther green shares a simular saturation. It might be nice to look at some old children's books to see how the 50's monocoor artists did their work. I just wouldn't shade with the grey and green on the same space there are too close visually to conver demension. Perhaps you could also do each level a different palette. Overall excellent work!

P>S> Please don't moditate me for critiquing your fine fine work.....



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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 7:35am

Thanks PO. Don't worry, you haven't upset me enough to warrant my "moditating." Your critisisms are very valid. The orignal grey and green colours were poorly chosen. They had a sort of subtle charm about them though. I tend to avoid dithering for game graphics.

Have you checked out the new colour graphics? I'd love to hear your thoughts on them. It is very fun to go back and fill in my previous works with new colour.

I'll upload some new colour talk icons that I made in the morning. Goodnight!

Oh, and thanks Shark, I only just got your comment! Nice idea about the old school minigame. I can't wait to see your coloured interpretation!



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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 7:46am
well interpretation... its looking totally diff so far, ill try and work of
your current tiles though.
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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 7:57am

I should be sleeping, but my mind ain't in the clouds yet. Here's those new talk icons.

Shark: Any effort is appreciated ;)

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The right leg keeps going back.
Both arms go forward but the right leg just goes like so.

Back -> Middle -> Back


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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 10:48am
This looks really cool. :) You'll have to tell us all when it's made into an actual game. :)
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I have worked on this on and off throughout today, i think it needs
another level of background to give it more depth. I dont really have
time to add some more items but it gives you an idea of the potential
this could have with more than 4 colors...


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Your spray paint inspired me to attempt to draw my new nickname.


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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 12:50pm
Hmm I liked the fewer colors to be honest but it looks good. I think another layer would look good. Maybe a closer lighter could layer up top too. I know it's a kick in the crotch after al yor hard work but i like the less colored ve4rsion better, maybe because the light colors are kind of clashing with the dark night setting. If i look off screen the first things i see are the graphitti and the main character they are just too lumoneciant for the night setting.
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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 3:19pm
I prefer the colorued mode. The only thing is I think someone mentioned, the colours of the character shouldn't be so bright in the night. I'm a beginner with this pixel stuff so I don't have much suggestions about colours etc, but I do know one or two things about arcade games. Therefor I present you these suggestions!!:

Don't make the game repetive. Not just punch punch suck punch. Gets boring after a while.

Investigate a little about the "real" thing. About black holes in the universe. Read a little about how they work and maybe you'll get even more inspiration for various attacks.

Also it would be nice with a skill system. I mean, the reason why I play games is to get better at them. Therefor a skill system is a great thing to add to you game.

I might come up with more suggestions later on, but for now, that'll do.

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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 3:55pm
I personally love the fact he stands out so much, it's not 'right' but it works for me (like finding a candy in a bag full of coal). I agree the graffiti is too bright though.

Still looks awesome.
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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 4:25pm
Not that my opinion is backed with much experience, but I'd say either expand the pallette a whole bunch (like shark has done) or stick with the black, white, and greys.

I'd also think it awesome if the game involved incredibly smooth Castlevania-like animations, at least moreso than the three-frame wonder souly put up (Which is rather good for three frames). Then again, that might be pushing it.

Iunno, but I like the fact that you're makin' your dreams come true. Makes me feel all warm and tingly.
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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 4:36pm

well i just think the 1990's style looses the 1950's monoculor feel. I have had a book called Your Friend The Garbage Man, it was monocolored.

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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 10:12pm

Thanks for all the helpful comments so far people.

@Souly: Thank you! You're so right about the leg when he runs! I can't believe I've never noticed this before. Here's an updated verion:

I've also updated the main post with the new graphics to save confusion. Also, the grafitti you and Shark have made has given me the idea to include any graphitti signatures you guys wanna send me as actual tiles in the background! Just a way to give back to the community ;)

@Aleiav: Thanks a lot. With a little help from the community this thing might just see the light of day as a real game!

@Shark: I really like what you've done with the background! Thanks. My version will probably be slightly lighter, but you've definately inspired me to go full steam ahead with a entirely coloured version. Thanks mate. I really like what you've done with the sky and the brick building especially.

@PO: As mentioned above, my version of the background will be slightly different. I look forward to getting your help once I've completed it :)

@Swifty: Your demands for a coloured version will be met, sir! And thanks for the suggestions. As far as additional attacks go I failed to mention my plans to have BH perform his special attack 'Supernova.' The attack features in the first episode of the comic, seen here. BH claps his hands together in order to blast a flash of white light which temporarily blinds his enemies. I plan on using a sort of 'rage meter' to control this attack. So he'd only be able to use it once he has a certain amount of kills or something.

The skill system is also a nice idea, Swifty. I definitely plan on having special items that can be used for different things. This would add a level of strategy to the game. Got any ideas for this? I'm thinking the sorts of item progression that you see in games like the first game boy version of Zelda.

@Larwick: My new coloured version will probably follow more the composition of the original mockup I posted, but hopefully it will still sport eye candy graphics that please you!

@Saboteur: The updated first post should clear up any confusion about the issue of colour. That three frame animation Souly posted was actually posted earlier by me, and I've corrected a minor problem with it. I still have no plans to smooth it with more frames, but we'll see how things go. Thanks for the encouraging words, it's definately a dream of mine to see my Black Hole apppear under an endless line of crappy merchandise.

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bullet Posted: 30 May 2006 at 10:59pm
Hey, so is there anyone programming this game?  I was sorta confused as to whether this was just a mock-up game or was going to be an actual game?

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-This game is currently just in the concept and graphics stage. I would love to talk to anyone about coding it, but I have no means to do so myself.


Didn't see this until after I posted.  Well, I can have some programmers in my development team, including myself, that can work on making this game official. :)  Just let me know.


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Never seen this thread before 
I like the 4 color version very much.
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bullet Posted: 31 May 2006 at 12:41am

@Demon: I'd love to talk to you further about this man. I think it would be really fun working with you. PM me with the details you need, and we can start talking seriously ASAP :)

@jalonso: Thanks mate, I only started this thread last night, but I did most of the drawings a long time ago.

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bullet Posted: 31 May 2006 at 1:54am
22 posts in a day must be the fasted updated post ever.

The coloring on your new stuff is coming out great... its got 'ISTVAN'
style and i think it represents a sorta comic book look. Another idea
i had was to make a comic book level where he runs through the
frames and theres lots of 'Pow' "zap" etc...that would be cool.

In the one i posted above i was trying to reflect a more crime
orientated theme. In your originals it seemes so happy and just
appeared to have trees and some1 at a but stop. I tried capturing a
dark urban city, and i think i shooda made the grafiti less bright.
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bullet Posted: 31 May 2006 at 4:29am
Thanks a lot Shark mate, I'm sort of going for that bright comic book feel, but I appreciate your efforts to being a dark side to the game. I will definately try to introduce that to the night levels. The comic book itself is meant to be a black comedy, so it suits well that there should be some more grimey elements to the graphics.

Right now, though, it's my eighteenth birthday, and I'm having a big campus party, and I'm a little drunk. But as soon as I sober up I will work on some new fully coloured background and sprites. Cheers mate.
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bullet Posted: 31 May 2006 at 4:32am
That coloured mock up looks hawt...

PS. Happy birthday =P
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I haven't looked it up but I think when it comes to Black holes, the law of physics stops working, which means that there's no gravity in the hole itself. So maybe you could use the black hole to fly :P

Also when the black hole pulls something in, it stretches it.  It doesn't pull in the whole materia at once, but gradually, and when it comes to that kind of gravitation it would rip of the legs of someone if he was being sucked into the black hole.

Once again, I'm not 100% sure about the facts above.

Anyway I got one crazy idea :P He got 1 black hole on each of his hand right? What if he moved them towards each other and holds them like 40 dm from each other. This could maybe create some sort of weapon. You see, when you hold them that close, it drags out the light or something else from the other black hole, forming a weapon of some sort.

I know they sound far fetched but maybe you could turn them into something more "acceptable" :P

And I liked the "rage" thing, sounded very interesting. Maybe after a while he could develope new powers when advancing in lvl or something.


I also read something about a "White hole". Although they don't seem to exist in the real world. Here's a little text about them:

"The equations of general relativity have an interesting mathematical property: they are symmetric in time. That means that you can take any solution to the equations and imagine that time flows backwards rather than forwards, and you'll get another valid solution to the equations. If you apply this rule to the solution that describes black holes, you get an object known as a white hole. Since a black hole is a region of space from which nothing can escape, the time-reversed version of a black hole is a region of space into which nothing can fall. In fact, just as a black hole can only suck things in, a white hole can only spit things out.

White holes are a perfectly valid mathematical solution to the equations of general relativity, but that doesn't mean that they actually exist in nature. In fact, they almost certainly do not exist, since there's no way to produce one. (Producing a white hole is just as impossible as destroying a black hole, since the two processes are time-reversals of each other.)"

Maybe the final boss could have this ability :P

One more thing, maybe I could assist you in your work? By that I mean, creating some pixel art for you, if good enough, you could use in the game.



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bullet Posted: 31 May 2006 at 9:21am

Spoon: Thanks, although I hate Family Guy.

!Swifty: Well your scientific mumbo jumbo alines perfectly with my current 18 year old drunken state, but yes! Combining both hands does create a special attack weapon. I like your thinking for the ultimate boss. It would be cool to make them polar opposites.

As far as you contributing to the art, I guess I'd have to see some examples of your previous work before I took you on. This is all happening pretty fast, and I'd probably want to discuss things further with Demon before anything to do with the game is decided.

Overall, I think I should sober up before I use the internet ever again.

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I only picked it till i make myself one :P
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That's cool Spoon, I suppose your name is still named after a sort of cool band, so that evens things out. for me atleast.
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iSTVAN: I will for sure be in contact with you soon.  I should have some free time later today. 
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lol...Spoon is my nickname..lmao...I got it from playing football, because when i kicked the ball it spooned off in the opposite direction :|
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@Demon: I hope what I've sent you so far is a good start, I look forward to hearing back from you.

@Spoon: Nice nickname origin!

To everyone else, we've started talking about production of the game. It's only early days so far. I will have some more coloured graphics to show you and some details on the first level very soon.
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Yes, it seems as though BlueStar has secured Black Hole: The Game.   As iSTVAN said, the game is in it's very premature form.  Basically it is in it's resource and information gathering stage of development. :D
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bullet Posted: 01 June 2006 at 11:36pm
Originally posted by Shark

...22 posts in a day must be the fasted updated post ever...


I thought I was crazy, for not having seen this WIP.
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@Demon: Fantasitc news! Do you have any more information I can read about your team BlueStar?

@Jalonso: Haha, I think this mainly took off so fast because I responded to almost every post myself.

Oh, and yeah, sorry for my drunkeness earlier on. Won't happen again, promise.



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Ur never gonna get drunk again o.0

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Hahaha, so how many times did you wash those pajamas? xD

Just gotta say I uh... can't wait to see more of this game. <33 /reaches for eeeet
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bullet Posted: 02 June 2006 at 5:22pm

Okay, finally some new stuff!

And I've written up the different keys.

keys/actions-

x= jump
c= punch attack
z(and hold)= sucky action
d(and hold)= scrolls through inventory, to the right
s(and hold)= scrolls through inventory, to the left
a(tap/release from hold)= shoots current item
c+z(provided rage bar is full)=perform 'Supernova' special attack

You can suck enemies aswell as objects, however they cannot be stored. When sucked, the enemy collides with BH and he holds them up by the collar. They can only be sucked when they have less than half of their health. From this position the player can press either:

c= perform upper cut attack that sends the enemy flying; or
z= slap the enemy around for a bit

There will also be strategically placed obstacles throughout the levels which require BH's super power sucking ability. These situations will be defined by the  environment.

Now, here's a description of the first five levels that encompus the first episode of the comic:

Level One: Street Patrol
Start: On the streets of Sydney

B.H says: ‘There’s a lot more thugs on the street than normal. It looks like it’s time to suck up the trash!’

Objective: We join BH on his daily street patrol. Destroy all the street thugs and get back to your apartment.

Level Two: Sky Scrappin’ it
Start: Outside BH’s apartment lobby.

BH says: ‘The Door man doesn’t recognize my face…again. I’ll have to get through the window on the 42nd floor…again!’

Objective: Climb your way up towards BH’s apartment window. Use the roof tops to gain height, whilst fighting off various enemies and obstacles. At one stage you must scale a construction site, full of hazards and thugs that drop heavy objects onto BH.

Level Three: Call of Duty
Start: In BH’s apartment.

TV says: ‘A hostage situation has developed in downtown Sydney. Police are warning that the villain behind the hostages is armed and dangerous. The producers would like to make an official call of duty to all known local super heroes. Pixie Boy, Red Radish, The Super Happy Friends and Volcano Man-- your city needs you!

BH says: ‘Who the hell is Volcano Man?! And what ever happened to good ol’ bat signals, eh? It’s just a popularity contest with these people.’

‘Well, I better get down there. I wouldn’t want to miss the pre-crime press conference.’

Objective: Reach downtown Sydney. This time you also have to face on coming traffic and pollution fogs.

Upon reaching downtown you find that a crowd of people block the path towards the building.

BH says: ‘Let me through, let me through! I’m a super hero! I don’t wear this spandex outfit because it’s comfortable, you know!’

We see Volcano Man, the Super Happy Friends and Pixie Boy ahead of the crowd.

BH says: ‘What’re you playing at?! People could be dieing up there!’

Pixie Boy says: ‘But he’s got a GUN!’

BH says: ‘Yeah, and WE are super heroes!’

Volcano Man says: ‘Settle down there, little fella. Let’s just leave this one to the authorities.’

BH must suck an alley way ladder down to his height in order to climb it and get over the crowd of people from the rooftops. Other such ‘interactive environment’ puzzles will appear during the levels so that an element of strategy is added to the game, and the most is made of BH’s powers.

Level Four: Office Relations
Start: On the first floor of the hostage building.

BH says: ‘I’ve got to find and free all the hostages before I can clock off for the day.’

Objective: Free all the hostages. They will be scattered over 10 floors of the building, including a basement floor. Keys, elevators, stairways and doors will be used to make it to higher levels. Thugs will litter the building.

Level Five: Boss Thug
Start: On top floor where the boss Thug guards the last handful of hostages.

Boss Thug says: Who do you think you are-- Volcano Man?!

The hostages laugh, despite being gagged.

Boss fight starts.
Wave One: Punches don’t affect him and he’s too big to suck and hold. You must suck surrounding objects from the office into the boss so that he is injured enough to suck up and uppercut/slap.
Wave Two: Boss Thug starts shooting at BH with his gun. You must suck the bullets and project them back at him.
Wave Three: Mini thugs appear from behind doors and you must defeat them so that your rage meter increases. Then you must blind the Boss Thug and continue attacking him until he is defeated.

BH says: Go to hell, muthafu—

Boss Thug says: My…my mother died when I was twelve!

‘Awkward Pause!’ splashes on the screen. 

BH says: Well…say hello to your mum for me!

BH slaps the enemy out of the window.

I should have some more background stuff up soon! Oh, and there should be a warning at the top of this post that says 'GAME SPOILERS, DON'T READ!'

@Shark: Your demand have been met!
@Stitchy: Currently they've never been washed! And thanks mate.



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bullet Posted: 02 June 2006 at 5:32pm
didnt spoil it for me i barely read it lol
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Well, okay. For those of you not interested in long reads, check out this updated colour mock up!



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GORGEOUS!!!
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It looks very light and pretty but some elements are quite flat.
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the pallettes make me very happy, which is good for a game...but

theres always a but... overall it lacks texture. The ground tiles just
seem like grey blox. The bricks are quite nice with the simple
shaded style.. but the trees definitley look like cardboard cut outs.

it may a bit negative but i really like this on first glance.. but when
analysing it could be better.
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Looks nice, just as other says, its to plain. Add some more texture, especially to the backround, the city.
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