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Quote Solitude Replybullet Topic: First Pixel - Avatar: Tower
    Posted: 17 May 2008 at 2:33am
Hi there everyone.  I'm very new to pixel art and very new to art in general, actually.  I've always loved looking and admiring pixel art though and have finally decided to jump in and try it myself.

My first try is to create an avatar to use at Pixel Joint.  I've been trying to create a lonely tower with rather soft colours.  Eh, of course I am struggling a bit.

Here is where I am so far:

 


Update (new roof):

 

Small Update (new roof) (still busy):

 

Big Update:

 

Trying Texture:

 

I am rather proud of it even though it still needs quite a bit of work.  It might not look like it but I've spent a couple of hours on it already.  Eh, I'm still very much learning.  And that is also why I am here.

Not everything looks right yet.  I will try and reduce the colours to 16 in the finished work.  Also I am not sure whether I should use dithering or not.  Should the contrasts be higher?

I am here for advice and if this picture is terrible then please tell me so.  I am willing to listen and will change where necessary.  Thanks for your time.

*edit*
I've uploaded the final version to my gallery.



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Quote Peach Replybullet Posted: 17 May 2008 at 3:01am
well, if this is you first attempt, congrats.
Are you using any reference for it or not?

About the dithering: I'm actually struggling to see the various effects of using different kind of dithering and not using it instead.
As Metaru once told me: "avoid it, and use it only when needed".
In this case the roof could be the only surface I'd use it, but it's only an idea.
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Quote Solitude Replybullet Posted: 17 May 2008 at 3:34am
Thank you very much Peach.

The only reference I used is for the palette.  I took a painting and selected colours from it as necessary.  I also did a search for all towers on Pixel Joint to see how other people created their towers.

Thank you about the advice for the dithering.  I've written it down in my notes.

I'll be waiting for more advice from everyone before I continue with the work.  Or is it ready to be uploaded to the gallery?  Eh, that's probably wishful thinking though.
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Quote M.E. Replybullet Posted: 17 May 2008 at 4:08am
Hi Solitude,

Welcome to PJ.

This is a good start. The hours spend are used wisely!

The best way to do any kind of art is to start with a reference.
You can always simplify and reduce colors, but you need a good
reference to the lightsource. That will make clouds, hills and
tower stand out better.
The palette is nice and it will give you a good base to continue
on.

Please don't use a link on your image. We can use the click,
shift-click to zoom / zoom-out on the picture and each time we
do it will try to take us to http:/xs.to which is a bit irritating!

Looking forward to your progress!

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Quote Solitude Replybullet Posted: 17 May 2008 at 5:04am
Thank you very much M.E.

I removed the link to the image host.  Thanks, I didn't even realize that one could zoom in by clicking on the image.

Thanks about the idea for a reference.  I'll post an update for where I think the lightsource is.  I'll go and try that now.  It'll be great if the cloud, hills and tower can stand out. 

*edit*

Hmmm I'm struggling to find a good reference.  This is definitely something to keep in mind with my next work.  The lightsource for this image is to the left (and a little to the front).  I'll keep looking for a reference image though.


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Quote M.E. Replybullet Posted: 17 May 2008 at 6:21am
Hi Solitude,

Your tower looks a bit like the malbork or marienburg tower


I think you meant to say that the lightsource is on the right
instead of the left?!

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Quote Solitude Replybullet Posted: 17 May 2008 at 11:08pm
Haha yes, I was in thought when I wrote that... The lightsource is on the right and not the left. 

Thanks for the image.  That will work quite well.  I'm going to search for more pictures of the tower.  I'll work a bit on the avatar and post an update a bit later.

Thank you very much for your help M.E. That's great of you.

Which parts of my image should I really focus on and change?  I'm not quite sure how to make the objects stand out.

Once again, thanks for your time.
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Quote M.E. Replybullet Posted: 17 May 2008 at 11:28pm
Hi Solitude,

Glad to be of help. The Tower should be the focus
of your attention. The clouds and hills are part of the
background and should have less attention. But you
can always add a tree and bird to see what happens.
It is of course up to you what you want there....

A gradient (which you make yourself!) is needed on the
roof since the split between dark and light is to abrupt at
the moment!

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Quote Solitude Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2008 at 5:14am


There.  I updated the roof.  It's not perfect yet, but I think it looks better.  What do you think?

Now I'll try and do something with the background.  Eh, I'll play around a bit and see what works.

Thank you so much for your help M.E. !  The world needs more people like you.  Without you I would have had no idea how to make the image better.


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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2008 at 10:43pm
yet that roof is laking volume wich is the main problem right now. look carefully, and you'll see that its actual shape suggest more that is pasted over the top of the column. more like a mustache or awig. what i believe you're trying to do is a clasical cone-ish shape, like in this picture:

please pay attention specially on how these shapes are shadedand how their base is made of a circular shape also.

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Quote Solitude Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2008 at 11:09pm
Thank you very much Metaru.  I'll go try that out.  That's a good reference.

Have a wonderful time!

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I think this roof looks much better.  I'm still busy working on it though.  Will hopefully have a better background tomorrow.

Edit:

Well if I understand correctly then I can only bump this thread after three days.  I've worked a lot on the avatar though and I hope it is good enough.  I'm pretty impressed with myself.  Eh.

Final?:

      or     

Good enough?  What do you guys think?  The second image is just a bit cleaner.  I don't know which one would be considered better.


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Quote Solitude Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2008 at 9:56pm
It's been three days and I'm going to bump it.  I'm sorry about that but the thread has been lost in obscurity at the bottom of the forum so nobody was looking at it.  I'm sorry if this is wrong.  Eh, I got in this dilemma because I tried to follow the rules too vigorously.
 
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2008 at 11:42pm
Don't worry, sometimes such thing is needed, you understand that we might forget about some threads, as we are as busy as you in our own projects and stuff. but lets back OT.

your second one looks cleaner and more polished indeed. so i could say that your piece is technically perfect, but now here comes teh hardest part, and this is to give life and character to your piece. right now reads quite well, but suffers from being extremely boring and generic, so your next goal should be about how making this little piece more unique, or how to give it more dinamism. you could try to experiment with some colors, or adding elements to it, or animating it, etc. just be careful to not to saturate by addind as much as posible. your space is limited, and what you decide to add should be space wise.

good luck~
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Quote Solitude Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2008 at 11:52pm
Thank you very much Metaru.  I understand completely. 

I'm glad that I got the technical side to it correct, since I was a bit worried about that.  You are right about it being a bit boring and generic.  I'll see what I can do about it.

Thanks Metaru! Have a wonderful time.
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Quote M.E. Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2008 at 12:00am
Hi Solitude,

Nice updates.
If you want to work some more on it I would suggest
to take the reference and play with colors and contrast
to really nail it down as close as possible.
I'm not saying that you haven't made progress but the
piece still looks a bit simple.
Even on a small canvas you can really try to figure out
what a tower is.
At the moment the roof doesn't look like a roof to me.
It is more what a toy roof looks like. Or more like a
chinese hat.
Maybe try to find out what the material is that the
roof is made of. (Stone, grass or whatever)
And try to mimic the structure of that material.

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Quote Solitude Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2008 at 12:14am
Phew, that's a tough one M.E. 

Fair enough though.  It does look a bit simple.  I'll try and see if I can give the work some texture.  It's a good challenge.

Thanks for your help M.E.  Have a great time!
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Quote Solitude Replybullet Posted: 12 June 2008 at 11:46am
It's been a while.  Work has kept me too busy to pixel.  But I am back now. 

Does this look better?

 


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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 12 June 2008 at 1:07pm
looks indeed very good, the tiles are very noticeable, however the only drawback is that the texture isn't following the conical surface of the roof.

besides that, thats the way to follow. just need minor fizes and perhaps you've finished your first work.
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Quote BlackDragon Replybullet Posted: 12 June 2008 at 5:03pm
 
Changes: Dithering, shading on mountain, shingles, some shading.

Hope this helps!
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Quote Solitude Replybullet Posted: 12 June 2008 at 11:27pm
Thanks Metaru!

And wow BlackDragon, that picture looks beyond amazing!  I'll have a look at it and see where and what changes you made and then try and make some changes.

Wow that picture is absolutely amazing.  I'm in awe.  I still have a lot to learn.
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