A przeca to chyba WIP byl, nie? Ale i tak fajny :) Kolory bardzo mi przypadly do gustu.
That's very nice indeed. Only part that I don't like is the bushy black hair bit.
Love how you reckoned to shade the cloth. I take a lesson away from it. Now to just apply that to something, only then do I know if I've really learned something.
The strong yellow may be slightly odd, but it also brings a warm contrast to an otherwise cold/bleak object. I like the image; it's ugly-beautiful in a Frank Miller-esque way. I esp. enjoy your rendition of the chest.
I really like it!
However I'm not sure if you meant this to trick our eyes but outlines aren't consistent (left shoulder on the right and lower bust on left). I'm wondering if the hair that's flowing should be longer on top. That said, overall the variation of size of shape and area is quite pleasant, the differences between the hair and the torso are great!
Certainly not ugly, but unsettling. And I'm sure some of that is deliberate: congrats! ![]()
She looks so coldly Slavic, the perfect Eastern spy fantasy of bygone years. The sharp and strong features, freckles and colors do add to that feeling.
sharprm's edit though interesting, just looses that touch; something like 70's James Bond vs 2000's James Bond.
I agree though, some anatomy details might improve, mostly eyes/mouth persp. And the hair dithering might be broken down a bit.
I really love the hair, to start with. I don't think I've ever seen hair and dithering mix so well tbh. It looks a bit pasted on to the head though, which is a bit of a shame. I would like to see a bit of the yellow on the hair as well. Anyways though, I love how it fans out behind her. I do like the facial edit made by sharprm and yes it is more asetherically pleasing to me but theres not much wrong with this as is- there are a couple of slightly iffy areas like the size of the eyes, the shading around the end of the nose and the lips but other than that it looks pretty good to me. I rather like the palette too- its different and a nice change from the usual.
I really like the colors and the pixel work, it's just the anatomy and the lips of the girl that mainly bug me.
I like the colours and I really like her face.
The only things that stands out to me is that she could probably have a bit my height on her head as there doesn't seem to be much space between the eyebrows and forehead. I know the hair is hiding this, but it just seems a little short to me.
The other thing is having more definition of her breasts and hair as it looks a little solid at the moment. (unless that was the intention).
Nice one!
easy! i don't really mind abrasive language if you're not offending me personally. since you keep criticizing the *piece*, it's okay by me -- i do appreciate that you had the time to do so. some of your points are too subjective, though -- as with the palette (why shouldn't it have yellow highlights in it? why should i always use realistic skin tones?), or the cloth texture, which is a matter of minor importance (i purposefully didn't apply it. originally i even wanted to leave this piece unfinished, because i was satisfied with the messy look it then has).
that's obvious but, you know, i'm not a qualified artist, no academic background, i'm doing it out of the pure pleasure. and you've just nailed it.
but leaving it alone,
i didn't know you're relating to john kricfalusi while saying about "john k", i really admire the artist, but wasn't familiar with his blog. thanks, it's really a mine of useful information!
oh, and i'll try to do better next time, i mean it.
i kinda like abrasive language. "her shirt looks like rock" says all this:
1. you need to consider how you could hint that this is cloth sitting on tits and stuff not just one mass (eg. folds and wrinkles on clothes)
2. there is good volumes but no texture hinted (eg. dithering here may be appropriate not on face)
3. shading may be too reflective
4. the highlight on her right breast suggests a hard edge which doesn't make sense
without me actually needing to think out all those points which i can't be bothered doing.
screw "maturity" what about ideal of getting better at drawing? u guys probably think it would be better to just let skurwy87 continue drawing constructed pieces the same way forever. (check out the last two large girl faces he did, resembles anatomy chart designed for doctors and lack life and 3d depth).
anyway, here are some links that may be relevant for detail and faces + improving the piece if he wants to:
example of detail but bad construction: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mJ4lc_Q9Q6k/SWLwKeYSxbI/AAAAAAAAZ5I/G1w2vFMZbqw/s1600-h/6-1.jpg
example of less detail but good construction: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mJ4lc_Q9Q6k/SWL38F59iTI/AAAAAAAAZ7A/LyJX5DPlLLM/s1600-h/68-1.jpg
discussion of these pics: http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2009/01/archie-from-hideous-itchiness-to.html
i think skurwy could keep the detail but just make sure it fits on the underlying shape (eg. freckles hint at cheeck shape)
how to go about adding detail to a face: http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2009/02/hierarchy-4-using-same-method-for-more.html
it doesn't annoy me, it's comment space after all so why should it? thanks for the plug, i'll check that John K. guy.
.Anubis., ElectroNico: thank you, gentlemen!
whatever its up to skurvy to get offended. skurvy u can send me a pm and i will delete censor the messages if they annoy u.
re: anubis
piss is yellow. this has yellow tint that makes no sense. if the shoe fits ...
"deliberately made ugly" - you have a choice. do you draw no wrinkles? some? all? all the wrinkles and add dents and pock marks even if it makes her look ugly and less like skin? that's deliberately making it ugly. And its a questionable choice. she looks like she has chicken pox to me not freckles. of course, it would be easy to make it look like freckles if there was a reasonable pallete. make the skin pink and freckles brown.
why can't i lecture him? if i wanted to be rude i would say "miss fail again" and not bother to tell him helpful things. what a joke i already apologised in advance at the end of the first post.
skurwy i'd recommend checking out John K's blog for drawing lessons they are all i applied to edit. quickly download the ones on 'construction', 'heirachy'. because he wants to make drawing sections pay for use soon apparently.
Nice palette, i also like the details of her hair. Nice job, sharprm's comment is useless ....
Jesus fuck sharprm, way to be a fucking dick.
"Current pallete looks like piss and ink. :)"
"What's worse, its deliberately made ugly? "
that+half of what you said wasnt necessary at all, i understand you're expressing your opinion but you didnt have to bash it like that.
and you didnt have to give him a damn lecture about it either, offensive or not, you still were.
on topic, this piece has its flaws, which you probably have noticed by now. but it's still good and I like the palette.
well, fuck that, be as offensive as you want unless it doesn't serve the right purpose. then thanks for the comment. yes, right, no refs used, mainly done for the sheer pleasure of pixel-pushing -- i didn't really want to make it realistic, think of the graffiti-type doodling. anyway, i really like your edit as it addresses a lot of things you have or haven't mentioned in the post. i don't know whether i'll be playing with this picture more, but i definitely should start thinking of taking on some serious drawing studies (i should've done that eons ago, I suppose).
the palette is good, shut up! :d
You didn't use a ref did u?
No offense, this is ugly. What's worse, its deliberately made ugly? At least that's what i think some people might be doing. lets give her spots and wrinkles and realistic neck muscles. who cares if it looks ugly, that's real. real is good.
I believe people really want to look at pretty things (unless they have retarded modern art type beliefs) and they never notice the neck, so play the ugly stuff down. evidence is photoshopping of girls in magazines and makeup and junk. In the very least, put the ugly stuff on decent forms. John K made a post about wonky details don't make up for bad drawing. eg. on yours the eyes are placed incorrectly.
why doesn't the skin color look like skin? u can't say its because its monochromatic because this isn't really a monochromatic pallete because u have blues and yellows. see chaos engine for monochromatic palletes done well.
i don't know what kind of clothes she is wearing (fururistic ) but there isn't a hint its clothes. it could be rock. try to add clothes texture or something.
example ref: (ur pic she has a weird look on her eyes like she is a doll why not use ref and have more life in it)
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2822932992/nm0853231
sloppy edit:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e199/sharprm/woman-1.png
i think for palletes you should aim for something fun like the girl pic here:
http://www.shmup-dev.com/forum/index.php?topic=858.0
or the chaos engine character screens. Current pallete looks like piss and ink. :)
This post is probably offensive but i think u are very skilled but i just want to express how unapealing this pic is (to me at least) and pursuad u to draw something more appealing.
dzięki! :) masz rację co do wipa, ale nie chciałem się już dłuzej katować. . . :)