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Ego (Level 5 Sniper) at 9/20/2014 8:35:00 PM

That sort of stuff is right up my alley! Looking forward to it (also sorry if I came off as very formal earlier, I've been talking to professors all day and it's had me in that headspace).

jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) at 9/20/2014 7:52:00 PM

Oh wow! finally! I'm pasting this here to follow up in the am.

I'm going to contact them and explain the interest and its possible significance and see if we can get a real good hi-res of that flower panel.

cure (Level 10 Capo) at 9/20/2014 7:37:00 PM

It's in the Detroit Institute of Art.

jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) at 9/20/2014 4:26:00 PM

Ego, there is no order or structure at all. Its just a jumble of copied text and links and all kinds of stuff. I'm going to try this coming wek to give that project a little love. I will PM you. This is just a soft project its not a 'job' or a chore, ya noes. Its just trying to collect all kinds of finds into one place for posterity maybe.

Ego (Level 5 Sniper) at 9/20/2014 4:16:00 PM

Oh, if writing/revising is a needed thing, I can do THAT to a certain degree. I mostly meant I wouldn't be much help on investigating stuff and actually doing the info-gathering. Writing is a different story for me. Before I commit to saying "yes that's a thing I can do" I'd want to see what I'd be obligated to do on a more specific basis, but if you're in need of that I can help as much as I can.

jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) at 9/20/2014 2:57:00 PM

Opus regulatum would fit in better but every example I've ever seen is mixed withopus tessellatum

Maybe someone has a pure example.
I have tried to search what American Museum (all I know) owns that cabinet so I can contact them to get a real good image of that flower panel to really see how pixelly it is.

@ego, we don't need more 'interested to check it out' we need writer/editors to clean and revise 

RAV (Level 1 Rookie) at 9/20/2014 1:52:00 PM

Wondering about that too. Been testing out some stuff, but I dunno.

cure (Level 10 Capo) at 9/20/2014 1:03:00 PM

I don't remember much, other than the dyed wood inlays that jal posted, cross-stitching, and beadwork like wampum belts. Opus regulatum (grid-based) murals are pretty rare until the digital era as far as I can tell.

ADrawingMan (Level 8 Shodan) at 9/20/2014 10:30:00 AM

I almost wish I could force myself to do something like that. Almost.  :P

Asmodeusss (Level 1 Rookie) at 9/20/2014 8:08:00 AM


Ego (Level 5 Sniper) at 9/20/2014 12:57:00 AM

It would definitely be interesting to check it out at least! I don't know how much help I'll be but it sounds really interesting to work with.

AlcopopStar (Level 1 Rookie) at 9/19/2014 9:42:00 PM

Hey all, does anyone know of some good examples of two colour shading in pixel art? I'm talking about almost a cell shaded look, with a buffer colour smoothing the transition. 

Lehmure (Level 2 Corporal) at 9/19/2014 8:13:00 PM

Hullo everyone, and that's a freakin scary avatar, Jalonso.

jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) at 9/19/2014 3:09:00 PM

Yes, mosaics are not grid based and that's their biggest fault. Other were pointed out.

Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) at 9/19/2014 3:03:00 PM

I don't know any ancient mosaics with square grids...

jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) at 9/19/2014 2:07:00 PM

It has been determined that mosaics do not count for various technical reasons but I don't don't recall them all now. I'll dig the why not and post.
Understand that 'technically' pixelart can only really be on a computer. Anything else to be considered must adhere by even more strict rules and that cabinet is so far the earliest that meets all consensus requirements.

Photocopier (Level 11 Godfather) at 9/19/2014 12:49:00 PM

Ancient mosaics don't count?

jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) at 9/19/2014 12:26:00 PM

So far, this is the earliest known pixelart is from c.1875

pic 1      pic 2

jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) at 9/19/2014 12:24:00 PM

I have been gathering all that stuff with other PJers to clean up and make some sense out of everything, even the more questionable bits as a PJ project. Its very confusing so its taking ages. Do you want to join that project?

Ego (Level 5 Sniper) at 9/19/2014 12:17:00 PM

I remember a serious while back there was some musing in here about the history of pixel art and the various movements / styles that arose over time. Does anyone still have that? It'd be helpful to see and there's not great documentation of those things for me to investigate on my own. Thanks!

cure (Level 10 Capo) at 9/19/2014 8:37:00 AM

If there's an independence movement, it's the quietest movement in history. And data doesn't get much more unreliable than a single tv survey. It's much easier to get hits searching for independence movements in the Southern United States, which were independent less than 150 years ago. And even here, numbers wouldn't reach double digits, even in rural counties.

Baianinho (Level 1 Rookie) at 9/19/2014 8:27:00 AM

actually there was a survey of network tv "tv bahia" on the outskirts of Juazeiro. rumors say when I'm talking about direct elections to vote on independence which is not yet considered.

Baianinho (Level 1 Rookie) at 9/19/2014 8:25:00 AM

My username "baianinho" is the diminutive form of "baiano" ie born in the state of Bahia

cure (Level 10 Capo) at 9/19/2014 8:23:00 AM

80% is a bold number if rumors are the only basis.

Baianinho (Level 1 Rookie) at 9/19/2014 8:21:00 AM

I live in the Bahia Area 80% of people want to turn independently, but for now no vote was open, so far only rumors between baianos

cure (Level 10 Capo) at 9/19/2014 8:02:00 AM

No, and it isn't really analogous to the situation in the UK. Scotland has a much longer history of independence and a very distinct culture, dialect, and language (Scots) and is also more geographically isolated, being surrounded mostly by water.

grats to the Union today.

king_bobston (Level 5 Soldier) at 9/19/2014 7:30:00 AM

Happy birthday, Andrae

ADrawingMan (Level 8 Shodan) at 9/19/2014 3:06:00 AM

Have a good one, Andrae 


Is Bahia going to be having a vote on seperating from Brazil or something soon?

Baianinho (Level 1 Rookie) at 9/18/2014 2:36:00 PM
Guys, in the opinion of you Bahia afford to become a separate country of Brazil? by the population, extent, GDP, etc



Meapers (Level 1 Rookie) at 9/18/2014 11:54:00 AM

Me trying to log into Archeage.


Mathias (Level 4 Shichikyu) at 9/18/2014 10:42:00 AM

Ohhhhhh sssnnnnnaaaaaaapppppp ssssssooooonnnnn


greenraven (Level 9 Executioner) at 9/18/2014 10:41:00 AM

At 10% game speed they look like torpedos.

Still nice though. Keep it up.

tuaarita (Level 4 Mercenary) at 9/18/2014 9:00:00 AM

I'm gonna post my progress until everyone is impressed.

Worked on movement momentum today which probably isn't apparent in this gif but it looks cool.

i.imgur.com/2ZiRmlr.gif This is at 10% of actual game speed.

tuaarita (Level 4 Mercenary) at 9/18/2014 4:52:00 AM

Kanye wants to irc with Peyton? That's amazing!

andrae (Level 4 Deputy) at 9/18/2014 12:22:00 AM

I don't really know what I'm doing in IRC. Idle all the time.

Bitslap (Level 5 Assistant Manager) at 9/17/2014 11:57:00 PM

i am on #pixeljoint @slashnet and #pixelart @afternet

Frost, where are you (for pixel art irc i mean) ?

Peyton, get Mirc and get on either slashnet or afternet and contact me on either channels i mentioned, i'll walk you through the rest, concider the first step a test. - Kanye West

Peyton (Level 6 Made) at 9/17/2014 8:18:00 PM

I don't even know how to get to the IRC. I have never even used an IRC chat before. Link me :p

Frost (Level 6 Serial Killer) at 9/17/2014 6:29:00 PM

I am on IRC. I basically live on IRC.

Mr.Fahrenheit (Level 5 Killer Klown) at 9/17/2014 3:47:00 PM

The pixelation one? cuz I thought the pj one died or something.

Bitslap (Level 5 Assistant Manager) at 9/17/2014 3:10:00 PM

I wish you people were on IRC. Then i could stop dreaming weird stuff.

greenraven (Level 9 Executioner) at 9/17/2014 2:39:00 PM

The nerdy ones that watch Dr Who do. XD

DawnBringer (Level 10 Maniac) at 9/17/2014 11:49:00 AM

Hehe, BBS ... I wonder if kids these days even know what that is!

Frost (Level 6 Serial Killer) at 9/17/2014 11:28:00 AM

I'm hooked on ANSI.


tuaarita (Level 4 Mercenary) at 9/17/2014 8:36:00 AM

What do you guys think about this aiming method? (Playable exe 2.05MB) 

ellie-is (Level 8 Cannibal) at 9/17/2014 5:11:00 AM

Thanks! Glad you liked it.

AirStyle (Level 5 Assistant Manager) at 9/16/2014 4:57:00 PM

For the time it was like that....aw, poor thing...

andrae (Level 4 Deputy) at 9/16/2014 3:49:00 PM

I woke up and found graphics gale like this: http://i.imgur.com/zZiumM0.png

Reinstalled gale. fixed.

CELS (Level 6 SWAT) at 9/16/2014 3:28:00 PM

@Meapers: Don't know that it qualifies as a documentary, but it's definitely a great film. Very unusual. Very interesting perspective.

D-jinn (Level 5 Rokkyu) at 9/16/2014 2:15:00 PM

I think "All challenges" tab could be remodeled.
the widget's height is larger than 1000% now.

Graindolium (Level 1 Rookie) at 9/16/2014 2:09:00 PM

Glitch CSS JavaScript

Meapers (Level 1 Rookie) at 9/16/2014 12:25:00 PM

Has anyone ever seen the animated documentary, Waltz With Bashir? Its about the filmaker's journey toward discovering the truth about an Israeli Army mission he participated in during the first Lebanon War of the early 1980s that left him with a loss of memory about the events. The long-forgotten images begin to resurface as the director interviews old friends and comrades around the world.

Here's the trailer for it, www.youtube.com/watch

It's not in english (obviously), so you would have to read subtitles if you don't mind doing so. I quite enjoyed the film, one of the best documentaries I have seen in a while! 

Bitslap (Level 5 Assistant Manager) at 9/16/2014 12:16:00 PM

lol @carnivac
You find alot of things in games off-putting! 

greenraven (Level 9 Executioner) at 9/16/2014 11:47:00 AM

I liked a little old DOS game by the name of Gladiator as a top down shooter.

tuaarita (Level 4 Mercenary) at 9/16/2014 11:30:00 AM

construct classic 

AirStyle (Level 5 Assistant Manager) at 9/16/2014 11:23:00 AM

What software/ trickery is this?

tuaarita (Level 4 Mercenary) at 9/16/2014 11:17:00 AM

I made a zoomy. Didn't make an event to reset it yet so it just zooms in on itself and loops like that. Anyway

Carnivac (Level 8 Shodan) at 9/16/2014 8:58:00 AM

I still prefer Alien Breed on Amiga when it comes to top-down shooters.  Had a lot of great times playing that in 2 player.  Still fond of the graphics particularly in the second game.   I bought Hotline Miami out of support for it's creator but I found the graphic style and the try-and-die gameplay off-putting.

In other news, that old guy I was hoping to swap flats with, is a time waster and has cost me an amazing job opportunity and very likely my new relationship too.

Friend (Level 3 Hatchikyu) at 9/16/2014 7:52:00 AM


Bitslap (Level 5 Assistant Manager) at 9/16/2014 5:53:00 AM

@Tuaarita, both Teleglitch and Hotline Miami are good inspirations for topdown action. A merger of the styles seems even cooler. 

Hotline Miami has short levels full of action and replayability (because dying). This seems like a good move for when you have limited resources and time. 

Regarding standing out i dont think you need much more than a nice visual style and some well done action. Just go for it =)

jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) at 9/16/2014 5:38:00 AM

I did see that and I thought of you

Squirrelsquid (Level 4 Shichikyu) at 9/16/2014 3:54:00 AM

Hai Guys and Gals!

I now have a facebook "like" page, and a TWITCH account where I will be announcing and streaming Pixelpushing and music-composition.

The first Pixel stream is on this thursday 20:00 german standard time.



surt (Level 11 Godfather) at 9/16/2014 3:34:00 AM

Try tugging on, twisting, creasing and gouging at the LCDs ribbon cable. If you are lucky you might get the something approaching the effect you want. That or a non-functioning LCD.

Friend (Level 3 Hatchikyu) at 9/15/2014 9:04:00 PM

heres a strange question. 

Is there any way to sort of modify a macbook pro screen to look more... retro?  Like add scanlines or something like that to it?  I know computer video game emulators can do these kinds of screen mods, but I was wondering if it is possible to mod or if there is software to add scanlines or something to make a macbook screen look more retro or have like a more retro resolution

dumbo (Level 3 Hatchet Man) at 9/15/2014 8:33:00 PM

@jal... DID YOU SEE THAT!!!

Motrox (Level 1 Rookie) at 9/15/2014 5:56:00 PM

Won't load for me 

Friend (Level 3 Hatchikyu) at 9/15/2014 5:08:00 PM

thanks.  I play fighting games so I guess i need one.  now I just need to search for the best crts :)

Dont (Level 5 Killer Klown) at 9/15/2014 4:08:00 PM

 live dissection of a colossal squid :)

AirStyle (Level 5 Assistant Manager) at 9/15/2014 2:09:00 PM

@Bitslap: How do you "elly" something?

@90FC3C: Tell me more. Can't just leave us hanging like that.

90FC3C (Level 1 Thug) at 9/15/2014 2:03:00 PM

Old games also look better on CRTs for reasons which probably aren't interesting to most people

jtfjtfjtf (Level 2 Kukyu) at 9/15/2014 10:26:00 AM

CRTs have virtually no response time. So better for games where you want to reduce lag as much as possible.

Friend (Level 3 Hatchikyu) at 9/15/2014 8:58:00 AM

are crts better for for video games?

tuaarita (Level 4 Mercenary) at 9/15/2014 7:56:00 AM

You. I like you. For the moment I'm shamelessly ripping off Teleglitch and Hotline Miami for the basic mechanics. I can only hope I get some of my own ideas to be different enough.

Bitslap (Level 5 Assistant Manager) at 9/15/2014 7:53:00 AM

Tuaarita that looks sweet!

Good idea with monochrome and sin city. Blood!!

tuaarita (Level 4 Mercenary) at 9/15/2014 7:48:00 AM



Placeholder art provided by google. I'm thinking monochrome with highlights (think Sin City) when I finally get off my ass to do them.

Bitslap (Level 5 Assistant Manager) at 9/15/2014 7:40:00 AM

This weekend i will have a party and let the game run with 4 controllers on the tele. Gonna watch people play it and take it from there. Have another thing coming up in a month with some devs and beers, gonna have it running smoother by then. 

Bitslap (Level 5 Assistant Manager) at 9/15/2014 7:39:00 AM

Air Style: My game is heavily inspired by samurai gunn

Where can i ellies game ?

StoneStephenT (Level 5 Captain) at 9/14/2014 9:08:00 PM

Neat: http://www.colorhexa.com/

jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) at 9/14/2014 8:03:00 PM

Does PJ owe you a medal?

ADrawingMan (Level 8 Shodan) at 9/14/2014 7:57:00 PM

Still waiting for me medal 

jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) at 9/14/2014 7:57:00 PM

HB FlyGuy!

Dont (Level 5 Killer Klown) at 9/14/2014 3:35:00 PM

ready to watch citizen kane and beyond citizen kane. let's do this

AirStyle (Level 5 Assistant Manager) at 9/14/2014 2:34:00 PM

It reminds a lot of this game.

|||| (Level 6 SWAT) at 9/14/2014 2:30:00 PM

That game does look amazing. I agree; larger field, more players. nice pace though! And great BG.

I liked the supportive slimes in that game of yours too Ellie.. charming lil things (good idea overall; enjoyed it).

Mandrill (Level 6 Manager) at 9/14/2014 2:06:00 PM

Ahh, yes. What would we do without the drawingman.

Happy Birthday FlyGuy! :)

ADrawingMan (Level 8 Shodan) at 9/14/2014 12:25:00 PM

Happy Birthday FlyGuy, stay awesome 

ellie-is (Level 8 Cannibal) at 9/14/2014 8:46:00 AM

That game looks amazing. 

Bitslap (Level 5 Assistant Manager) at 9/14/2014 4:39:00 AM

Peyton (Level 6 Made) at 9/13/2014 9:55:00 PM

That looks really fun.

I agree with Daruda, it would be awesome for big team battles in big maps. I would totally play that with my friends :D

Daruda (Level 2 Dealer) at 9/13/2014 5:40:00 PM

@bitslap It's actually fun xD
Would be awesome to play team battles in bigger maps. 

D-jinn (Level 5 Rokkyu) at 9/13/2014 4:07:00 PM

Oh, well.
your wallpaper is a portal network graphic.PNG?.
maybe, but just maybe, your nexus tablet doesn't support that img format (that what you are putting as wallpaper).

if isn't that, I don't know.
maybe your table doesn't support HQ images as wallpapers.

DatMuffinMan (Level 4 Mercenary) at 9/13/2014 3:55:00 PM

the supposed resolution of the tablet is like 1900x1200, but that's with on-screen buttons. 

some reddit post said it was more along the lines of 2108x1824 with scrolling. 

but even a 3600x2400 wallpaper was blurry. 

D-jinn (Level 5 Rokkyu) at 9/13/2014 3:46:00 PM

hello, Mmmm. I had that problem too, but with my phone.
I just put the image/pixel art with a 400% up of the normal size.
that should solve it. , also you need to get your tablet's screen resolution
and make the wallpaper fills to it.

Bitslap (Level 5 Assistant Manager) at 9/13/2014 3:33:00 PM

Made a stupid game 

DatMuffinMan (Level 4 Mercenary) at 9/13/2014 2:18:00 PM

I recently got a new tablet (nexus 7 2013), and have a problem with setting wallpapers: if they're not the "stock" ones, they always come out blurry.

there's no way it can be the screen resolution, because when turned from portrait to landscape orientation, they display well (the portrait wallpaper is zoomed in to fit the screen). However, even the "height" of the wallpaper in landscape is taller than the height of my tablet in portrait mode, so I don't understand why it should get any blurrier :L 

anyone know how to solve this issue?

cure (Level 10 Capo) at 9/13/2014 8:49:00 AM

This image shows good clusters. They nestle inside each other, and their edges only line up when necessary, so you don't get bands running through the image. There are several polyominos that tend to reoccur.

AirStyle (Level 5 Assistant Manager) at 9/13/2014 8:09:00 AM

I thought those were clusters, since some of the shapes were similar. However, if you can give me an example of a good and/or bad collection of pixel-clusters, that would be nice. I looked at the pixel art tutorial, by the way. Most like to point you there first, so I'll get that out of the way. :)

DawnBringer (Level 10 Maniac) at 9/13/2014 8:05:00 AM

I'd say there's two main aspects of clusters; technical & aesthetic.

Technical: this pertains to resolutions of the monitor and the eye. Just like dithers can produce the illusion of other colors, single pixels don't have an isolated existence of their own but live in syngery with their surroundings (the result of combined pixels is NOT the average but is dominated by the stronger/brighter color(s)). Clusters is a way to reduce the resolutions and stabilize the color/brightness impression of given areas.

Aesthetic: this aspect is more subjective and harder to pinpoint. It concerns the geometric structures of the clusters and their arrangements. As king bobston pointed out; clusters can produce banding and other ill effects if placed poorly.

cure (Level 10 Capo) at 9/13/2014 8:00:00 AM

bobston's got it. good clusters eliminate banding. not sure what the piece you linked to has to do with this, it's not very cluster-heavy and relies on single-pixel detail to create textures.

king_bobston (Level 5 Soldier) at 9/13/2014 7:32:00 AM

1. I would say a good cluster works well with the others and doesn't create banding. The most beautiful cluster is wasted if the rest of the piece is crap. I'm not sure why you linked that piece. If it's about the noise, it works good in a texture sense, making the metal look rough and grainy which contrasts pretty good with the smooth parts without changing the color.

Care about people's approval
and you will be their prisoner.
Do your work, then step back.
go to bed or some place without internet.
The only path to serenity.

AirStyle (Level 5 Assistant Manager) at 9/13/2014 6:56:00 AM

Thanks for that. I really appreciate it.

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