12:00 tonight CAN'T get here fast enough!!!
I just want to say hello to everyone here as I'm new, discovering the chatterbox :) Have a good day/evening/night!
Today's random funny.
What does this all mean for the future of pixel joint?!
always gotta check the butt
This was kind of funny, a story about a student that noticed something in a famous painting.
In resolution or file size? Not that I would anyhow.
Ok one more question! What is a suggested size for a small game?
Hello, folks! :)
Just passing by to wish you a good day/afternoon/night.
@kler: welcome to PixelJoint!
@Chrispy: Yes, you definitely should!
@atpalicis: Thank you, you've calmed my internal feminist. Although I do feel like you're objectifying women a little bit, by propogating the view that women always have to be beautiful. Personally, I didn't even shave my armpits today, to show solidarity with women all over the world. True story.
@kler, use the forum. Welcome :)
woohoo! 3 more before another nice post.
Man I really need to get back into the habit of pixelling. I miss you guys </3
Thank you guys. You guys cheered me up a bit.
Happy Birthday Riley, and welcome kler.
Happy birthday riley!
Thank you! Sadly that would require effort and the urge to pixel something which I'm lacking at the moment.
I just registered so.. beeing new to pixel art and bad at it (b-but wishing to improve), I wanted to say hello to everyone! :)
Also i was wondering if there is a pixelart dedicated chan on IRC or any website chat that would mainly focus on that ? :P
Of course the community can definitely improve, but these things take a lot of time. I agree with what you're saying, it just sounded like more of a tantrum at first. Besides, you've only been back for a short while, and your work is very impressive - chances are most people can't find much to critique on.
@CELS , I'm female so on this beautifull day I'll write something here to make you feel better. PJ is not dick jokes only. I have beautiful eyes lol
@RileyFiery , Happy birthday! Pixel more of Pillage art cuz I really like it :)
Fair enough. I haven't really been back long enough to do anything other than notice how the community behaves. Hell, I might just be projecting the behavior of other communities onto PJ because of a very vocal minority. I enjoy giving critique, finding faults with others' work helps you improve your own work immensely. My experience with giving and getting(in that I haven't gotten any :V) critique lately has just been very negative is all.
And to whoever mentioned something about "that's the way it's always been, just deal with it" or something along those lines (because I forgot to reply to you!). That sort of behavior may have been common this entire time, but that doesn't make it acceptable. I was just as immature and Lol Just Leave If You Are Mad *flexes all over the place* as some of these people when I was 14 and 15 and just starting out here, but that doesn't make it acceptable behavior. You shouldn't be okay with there being a lack of critique just because people prefer not to give it. Communities don't grow and improve through fostering an attitude of "just deal with it"
@1up: I really have to disagree that people are so offended by criticism. I personally appreciate it tremendously when people take the time to do edits, and it really kills me that I have about 4-5 WIPs on my harddrive that are going to take me a long time to finish, if I ever do, because I feel bad about all the people who spent time trying to help me.
Having said that, I think the risk of offending someone and wasting your time on them is minimal if you start out with very simple critique and see how people respond before spending more and more time on them. And of course, some people have been posting here for years, so you get a sense of how they respond to criticism. I'm sure you've been here longer than me, so by now you must have seen one or two people who respond well to criticism.
Finally, I would say that I agree about your characterization of art communities in general, whether it's visual arts, music or literature. I find that the same applies to sports as well. But it's amazing how much influence one person can have, trying to change a small community and reverse bad trends. For example, there was recently a similar debate as this one on Pixelation. Pretty much the exact same arguments you brought up, word by word. It was followed by a lot of nodding and shaking of heads, people agreed that it was time to make things better. But only a few guys actually did something about the problem. For example, if you look at the 15 most recent pixel art threads on that forum, you'll find 1 person offering useful criticism in 10 of those threads. (It's not me, by the way) And the people who complained in the first place are still not helping others.
1up this really isn't something to get upset about.
Looks like he was just joking around...
I'm a dick now because I had a little fun by saying I found the secret of your titles?
and actually, re: CELS
have you thought about why that might be, like, really :V
people mentioning that they don't get critique as often as they would like (or at all) usually aren't the best advocates for giving critique *because* of the attitude prevalent in art communities like this where Compliments Good!! Advice Is Mean!!! it's very disheartening taking the time to explain what needs to be fixed about someones work, taking the time to make an edit to help them out, and trying to make sure that they understand perfectly why you made some of the changes you did, only to have them lash back with a comment about how "I THINK EVERYONE WILL AGREE THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT TO ME, APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW"
you don't ever get to stretch your brain and really try to help people because there's always that attitude in the community where advice just gets laughed off and tossed to the side in favor of "b..but my style..."
both sides are at fault in this but the bigger issue is definitely one with the community as a whole (and I don't mean to single out pixeljoint in this, it's a thing with art communities in general) rather than a problem with individual artists
Shawn's comment sums up my thoughts perfectly. You can whine and moan all you want that I'm 'not focusing on the positive' or that I'm 'focusing too much on the negative'
compliments are not a positive in this scenario. All I'm getting on my pieces are compliments and idle thoughts about the titles I'm using that have no business being there. Compliments are nice in moderation but please explain to me how "wow!" and "so cool!" are supposed to help me improve in any way, shape or form. How am I supposed to look at the comment "very nice!" and take away any meaningful advice from that?
My original comment was talking about critique, and how the people who post on this site need to be giving critique rather than simply posting about whatever comes to mind in order to up their rank. You are defending that behavior because I'm receiving compliments. You're free to continue trying to explain but I'm not going to bother listening to you, specifically, anymore until you address the problem that I *actually* brought up
Zizka, after a certain point positive comments have literally no impact. People aren't oblivious to their own skill level, 1up knows he's good at spriting, what he wants is criticism so he can further improve, which is entirely reasonable.
But if I only praise without giving criticism I'll be told my comment is useless :(.
Oh what the heck, screw useful.
The mod' team are doing a great job volunteering the website for all of us !
Also, it's great to have weekly pixel contests with such an awesome voting system!!!
Ok, we're good for 6 more bitching posts.
Remember the new CB policy:
"Every 6 bitching and whinings posted someone must praise PJ for something or other."
--- one more bitch/whine...hurry and rant.
HB, Riley :)
Thank you very much.
Level 1 is superior .
Happy birthday to RileyFiery .
I've browsed your gallery as I really like what you do, art wise. I've also taken the time to read the comments you get on your pieces.
The comments you are getting are *overwhelmingly* positive. Encouragements for the most part but plenty of them. You deserve those and more. Don't you think you'd benefit from focusing on the positive a bit? If 90% of the comments you are getting are praises, fav's, thumbs up and whatever, why the compulsion to focus on the 10% that you don't like (if it's even 10%, probably more like 5% or less). Are you sure the comments are really the source of your discontent, maybe they just trigger a deeply insatisfied state of mind? No offense but you're coming across as pretty disgruntled in general.
It's the international women's day and the only thing going on in the chatterbox is dick jokes. The patriarchy is ruling Pixel Joint. I can only hope next week's challenge will be to illustrate equal rights for both genders in a Super Mario mockup.
If you knew where kids like that one come from you wouldn't ask what he was saying. They come from another community, a forum, that builds up egos and promotes stupid jokes.
Although it seems like he was just joking with you because of your titles. Really just shrug it off for now unless it continues and turns abusive.
level 11s are superior, actually.
What a coincedence! Me too!
Google image search. You'll know mine when you see it.
Pics or GTFO.
I just want you all to know: I have the biggest internet dick.
No matter what system is in place, the people who actually value helping others and giving useful critique and feedback to others are going to continue to do so, and the ones who don't, won't. Talk about features and change is nice and all, and I agree PJ cand efinitely be improved in a lot of ways, but unfortunately that will likely not be happening (any time soon).
Personally, I never even look at people's rank. I think it hardly matters. The only portion that does matter (slightly) is the amount of points it enables you to vote on a piece - giving it more exposure.
I honestly think you should filter out whatever feedback you don't value, mentally, and pay attention to what is actually useful. If you aren't getting any of that, then sorry. But you've been on PJ before and you should know what it is and has been for a long time - an art gallery that is not primarily the best place for constructive criticism on your art. What is the point in publically shaming someone? At the very least if you don't like what a person is saying about you or your work, you could perhaps pm them about it, rather than posting about it (and posting screenshots) in the chatterbox.
Nothing like 3 beers to set off a good discussion!
I wouldn't mind a block feature, it's a very peaceful way of avoiding conflicts. Non-confrontational. I like it. I am 3/4 white, but I do care if I'm insulting. It's probably my 1/4 brown genes.
I do find it ironic that the people who are the biggest critics of the community, both on PixelJoint and Pixelation, the guys who complain that they're not getting the critique or advice they need, are often not the best role models for the qualities they're advocating. Whether or not that applies to you, I have no idea. But we have some people on here who spend countless hours year in, year out, trying to encourage others, give useful critique and advice. When those guys complain, I sit up and listen. The other artists, some of them very talented, who focus more on themselves and don't really spend much time helping and encouraging others? I tend not to worry about how those guys feel. I don't know which of those two groups you fall into.
there's a lot that i've been wanting to say for the past few days about why art gallery sites such as pixeljoint are really, genuinely awful when they've been allowed to exist for this long without providing any real means to encourage critique or advice
in fact, pixeljoint specifically encourages the opposite of this through the ranking system. you don't get useful critique that way, you get people trying to rank up as fast as possible so that they can prove who has the biggest Internet Dick. like this. http://i.imgur.com/foRHsZ2.png what is he saying. what is the point of all that.
and how they, through this sort of behavior, breed this attitude of harshness and gatekeeping for Everyone But The Cool Kids, Like Me, White Man Who Doesn't Understand Or Care How Insulting I Am and how anyone who attempts to change that (or even point it out, really) in any way goes largely unnoticed because by that point the entire community is so far up its own ass that no one really cares
but on the other hand it's 1 am and i'm 3 beers in and i don't think i can come up anything more than "a block feature is a perfectly valid thing to want, don't be a child"
Ignoring works as well. Unless you are a 14 year old and need a block button.
Where's my money?
is there a way to block people on here
like im tired of putting up with some stuff and i'd rather not report a group of 14 year olds for being 14 year olds
I agree. Vision is half the battle.
You have to be patient enough to wait for the 'idea' if you want to keep from being frustrated.
I've noticed that whenever I have time to draw, I try to use as much of it as possible drawing something, even if I don't know what I want to draw. In the end, I doodle some generic character, and it looks like crap, and then I get frustrated :(
Well, yeah, if you apply a rule for one you should apply it for all. It's not about alienating new members but rather about being consistent in applying regulations.
If you accept this one then you're gonna have to accept others with NPA elements. It's not the end of the world of course but it's easier to apply a law if you always ''stick'' to it so to speak.
By 'pm' fool :p
I think we've run that before :/
'Ever heard of Chrome?'
...oh well...another Mod has added that piece so I guess that's that for now
Anyone with super pixel/pixelly/pixelish stuff you've come across send for weekend news potpourri by pm to me.
That really, really is the most adorable thing I've seen all week.
Thx for self-editing.
Riley, then the next piece has just a little more and its 'but you let that one with tiny NPA in'...then others are like 'why his and not mine...you guys are Nazis/elitist.'
||||, adorable and even more adorable had it been a link ;)
Awww....Look at the little baby.
I voted yes on it. Tiny NPA issue, first submission, I could care less.
Only 4 pieces in the public queue now. This really tickles my OCD in a nice way.
In regards to the yellow boxes, I think DawnBringer made a good point. I personally didn't vote on this piece, even though I tend to vote a lot on items in the queue, because I'm kind of torn and not too bothered either way.
I actually voted no accidentally there :/.. I meant yes. It was surrounded by no votes and I got clicky happy there. Sorry 'bout that. I think I've only done that twice now out of a lot of votes.
Well they have +80 colors so there's def. some NPA step in their creation... Since they could easily be drawn properly from scratch in a few minutes there's no reason not to revise.
NPA. They've got about as many colors as pixels :(
They seem NPA to me and 'in spirit' seems like the right way to see them.
I don't want a new PJer alieanated as the rest of the piece is good.
Most votes have been yes votes and judging by who's voted yes (usually good judgements) I'm confused.
I think not
i'm leaning towards "NPA in spirit" -- whether by hand or not, they look like they were created mathematically rather than artistically.
not sure if that helps.
Are those yellow buttons that drop down NPA?
Oh, lucky! I wanna travel somewhere ;P
I'll live there in 2019 :)
Pretty sweet painting (Blondie)
Happy birthday wish04! congratulations!
Thanks you two
Happy birthday wish04!
Happy birthday, wish04. My present to you is that I didn't use any of the wish-related puns I could think of in this birthday greeting.
thanks man :)
I planted garlic and made a wood box for planting other things ^_^
19 seconds? I NEED MORE!
But yeah that sounded pretty slick.
made something; all instruments made from scratch except the drums
next time remember you leroy
Ahahah I am sitting here laughing like crazy :D :D
you missed one http://i.imgur.com/7IwCBrZ.png
I don't know how to paint but I do like a good software.
I like this new trend.
Nice pixel clusters and colors
Everything's cool. Everyone is entitled to send pictures like this to the artists they like.
sorry. I do not know English well, and misinterpreted.
Nah mate, I'm the same age so there's no problem here. Just kidding around ;)!
what is your problem? I'm just a boy of fourteen who enjoys the work of mrmo.
I would go naked for mrmo
I'm standing shirtless. I'm not naked
Are you lying naked with a notebook on your chest with a message to Mrmo... ?
Well, I'm not sure how he's going to take it but it's very unusual to say the least.
OMG Krita O_O I'm baffled :D
Also yeah I love Puppygames' art style so... yeah ;P
I downloaded that just a few hours ago after watching a speedpainting video with it on youtube. I haven't tried it yet though since I'd have to reboot my mac to load up windows first.