Forest life :: Pixel Art Detail

As this piece was rejected as pixelart, you can now find it here

I fail to understand what's so impressive about this. Even as an oekaki drawing it's pretty haphazardly thrown together, not to mention ugly and hard to read everywhere around the middle.

Meow what a catfight, I consider this actual pixel art more than a lot of the wapanese art  people upload.
This is wonderful. congratulations

sweet!!!  nice job

wow                                         

the dog is mine!

hmm this is awesome but i wouldnt class it as pixelart

this has been discussed, in the forum and here as well, already.

the jist of it is no.  oekaki is not pixel art, so it wont be allowed on pixel joint in any matter, otherwise the flood gates will open for more npa of differnt kinds.

anyways, like snade said, no more discussing this here, go here if you want to discuss oekaki.  if i see anymore comments not directly related to this piece and only this piece, the comment will be removed, and if i have to do it too many times, proper punishments will be awarded.

well... it does look very nice!  people are saying it's not really pixel art, but well... If this is not pixel art I think PJ should enable people to submit these kinds of art too, in another way... Some kind of Oekaki (or whatever its called) gallery on PJ?

would it be possible to combine the personal gallery with a certain level you'd have to be?

allso, i think a thread should be opened for this and just leave this for art comments

The personal doodle/WIP/oekaki gallery idea is golden. However, noobs could easily think it's okay to put that kind of thing into the main gallery, not completely understanding the difference between the main site gallery and their own little doodle niche. It would have to be handled carefully.

But, anyway, I vote no to adding this to the gallery. It is not "pixel art" enough, that's for sure

I love it, it's so dynamic and alive, but sadly it's not 'pixel art'(as understood by the majority of spriters and pixel artists) so as others already said, it doesn't have a place here. (still gave it 7 points but had to vote 'no' on the public queue)

"I actually don't think oekaki should be a "pixel art" category, but rather a category for someone's personal works (think "scraps" on DA).  "

I like the idea of a doodle/scratch section that wouldnt' be part of the main gallery, but each user's personally gallery, for linearts, doodles, failed ideas, WIPs you know you're never going to finish, etc.

As for this piece, its ugly, but its good. So ugly its good? :p It has that "can't stop looking" quality to it.

Agreed.  If this is let in, then the waters would be muddy indeed.  I do not advise, and I know you've said you won't, that you make it pure-pixel, as some have suggested.  That would lose the unique effect it creates.  Though I don't see permanent queue status as a loophole that can last forever, I'd have no problem with harboring it there.

@ikke:  I've thought twice about miascugh's WIPs as well, but it wasn't my call to make, so I didn't worry too much over it.  You bring up a good point though.  They display his amazing talent, but, as you've mentioned, are unfinished nonetheless.

giraffe is mine

Spot the wildlife score:
Ilkke:
 Bird
 Butterfly x2
 Beetle on stump
 Beehive (is a bat actually)

Jalonso:
 Giraffe

Metaru:
 Dog

4 "animals" left to find

well, just that you don't get me wrong: this is quite nice BUT:

the place for these kinda hybrids is deviantart, your own homepage or any other art-site thats not dedicated to pixel only - be it oekaki/pixelart, truecolor/pixelart or even photos of cubes you've arranged to a picture in your living room..

i know, we already have a lot of borderline pieces in the gallery - like screenshots of nice pixelart games with 32bit steam over it or with photoshop titlescreen, but there the dominant incredient have always been pixelgraphics.. this piece here is... say at least 51 oekaki and 49 pixelart

so, i second ensellitis - if this gets through, we're having kinda precedence here and soon ppl could for example pixel little guys (or even worse: speech bubbles) on their holiday photos and then upload this here..

this is not my kind of style. i do not like it. however i do clearly see why people like it. its got a good composition, pretty colours, and really interesting combinations of techniques. i really like the blockdithers that are combined though i wish it'd be a bit more clean..
i dont think this is really pixel art. the difference with this and say, jalonsos cd cover and kenneths mockup is that those pieces are mainly pixelart, with some minor effects added. the pixelfeel is still clearly there. therefore i dont think it'd belong here in the galleries.

i would however have no problem with leavind it in the queue forever. i dont think it'd be a good idea to add a scraps thing on pixeljoint, because it'd invite to uploading different stuff a bit too much. as for an oekaki section, i dont know how that'd turn out, but i fear itll make it hard to tell what goes where. things like helms triangles, are they pixelarts? or are the triangles seen as brushes and therefore oekaki?

on a more positive note. the sun is sex

the problem with that idea is if we let him add an [oekaki] tag or have a special category for it, then we will have to start adding them for hybrid pieces, then we will have to start adding them for every other category, until we eventually become pixel(and every other medium)joint.

while this is great, it is still oekaki, thus not pixel art.  however i will let it simmer here in queue for as long as the other admins kill it :)

"maybe you can leave it in the public queue forever tho "

Now that's an idea, lol.

You could make a nice pixel art out of this. Just pull yourself together, work three days straight and get to the hall of fame shelter for next 100 years!

spot the wildlife:
I spot a beetle on the stump, two butterflies, a beehive on the tree and a bird!

Again, it's the old story.
How come nobody has problems with miascugh's pictures, for example? Doodle? Oekaki.
Don't get me wrong, i LOVE his work, but I'm not the one trying to be purist.

The question really is what to do with good pictures like this one?
This particular image is held by the same pixel constraints as any other.
I prefer precise pixelling to chaotic scribbling, but I believe putting works like this in a ghetto would be far from a good solution.

What if dr.Zool just adds a [oekaki] prefix? Maybe there should be a oekaki checkbox when submitting. Maybe some restrictions regarding oekaki and challenges? Would that settle matters?
Another solution is to bring this kind of conversation up every time and decide on the spot :D
I believe there should be a set of rules regarding what goes and what is forbidden. This may sound pointless but once we have that, we can explore those limits we set.

That's just my thoughts, I'm not looking for a fight. Only trying to provide some brainfood.

Edit:
left some parts out in an effort to be more clear.

after reading the thread jalonso linked to, I don't think this should be added to the gallery neither.. maybe on oekakijoint..
maybe you can leave it in the public queue forever tho

@Sedge: scraps? that would be like a 'not finished, yet not working on this anymore' category, or just  a WIP showcase? i don't know how  a 'scraps' category could be implemented here without problems....

Thanx all!

Will it be or not be pixel art? That is the question. I don't care which one it is. If it's rejected as pixel art, fine I woun't feel bad about it. I just enjoyed creating it.

This is the final version, im not gonna edit it.

Now let's play, spot the wild life!

I actually don't think oekaki should be a "pixel art" category, but rather a category for someone's personal works (think "scraps" on DA).  

I'm with cure in the end it seems. Its awesome, beautiful, well done and deserves high praise. Letting this in will muddy the waters too much and only lead to confusion, mis-interpretation by some and is best not part of a place that focuses on pixelart in its purest form. It really crosses the line for me after hours and hours of deep thought and reflection. As I mentioned earlier this is the best example I've seen of the meeting point of the two distinctly different styles.

@Sedge, that MUST is scary

There has been a running thread in the forum about this type of thing for those interested in more thoughts on the topic.

@drZool, I hope you don't take anything here as an attack or anything. Matter of fact this piece is generating conversation and is thought provoking so it succeeds as ART on every level regardless what its labeled to be.

This oekaki category sounds like a complicated and controversial move, for better or worse.  This deserves to be prominently displayed on the internet, no doubt, but whether it should be here, on a pure pixel art site, is debatable, I suppose.  I remember the stir Kenneth Fejer's mockup caused.  When a piece is of poor quality, it can easily be dismissed, but works such as these that are done with obvious skill make such decisions much more difficult.

EDIT: By Kenneth Fejer's mockup, I mean Indigo's mockup that emulatesKenneth Fejer's style.

Holy shit. as sketchy as this might look i feel obligated to vote 7 out of 7 :D

The fact that this might technically fall into the oekaki category does not diminish it as a beautiful piece of work... in fact, refining it (making it "pixel art" whatever the hell that is) might take some of the wonderful energy out of it... we MUST create a oekaki category at PJ for amazing work like this.

I can't stop thinking about this Pixelkaki all day...I really want it in PJ somehow since its so perfectly shows that grey borderline area as I see it. I still can't personally allow it in tho...please don't remove or delete...this may need a meeting of the mods.

Yeah, I agree with jal too.

You still have an entire week, so why not refine it? If you think is too big to handle, scale it down and work over it. I'm sure this can become a great entry.

I'm with jal, its at that borderline, but whatever it officially is, it kicks ass.

I have finally seen the exact point where pixelart and oekaki meet...I remain confuserated...I do love it, A LOT, but my concience won't let let pres 'submit'...

Woooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooo!
Now you're talking!

I like it!  looks like someone went crazy with the pencil tool.